cjpsurf Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Graine said: File charges with local PD -> send scan copy to Polo -> wait to ask what you need to get the ip log for your account. In case of inactivity from Polo -> file a complaint with SEC if you are an US citizen, or a respective board for Ecommerce watch-dog of your country. Scan the complaints and attach them to Polo ticket. -> Get an attorney | File a claim with Interpol against Polo for negligence and/or refusal to investigate theft. Thanks for the constructive reply! The IP address is visable on polo exchange.........IP address came from oklahoma and I'm no where near there but IP address could have used vpn. I've already submitted complaints with BBB and FTC and been in contact with some attorneys but I want to hold off to see if polo will step up and right the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graine Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, cjpsurf said: Thanks for the constructive reply! The IP address is visable on polo exchange.........IP address came from oklahoma and I'm no where near there but IP address could have used vpn. I've already submitted complaints with BBB and FTC and been in contact with some attorneys but I want to hold off to see if polo will step up and right the ship. Friendly heads-up: Polo is under investigation by SEC for several different cases. Also, IRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjpsurf Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just now, Graine said: Friendly heads-up: Polo is under investigation by SEC for several different cases. Also, IRS. Yea I saw that too..........My crypto buddy suggested to me to get the ball rolling before polo does their exit strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graine Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just now, cjpsurf said: Yea I saw that too..........My crypto buddy suggested to me to get the ball rolling before polo does their exit strategy I doubt they'd exit-scam at this stage, but consider all your data stored and analyzed by feds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjpsurf Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just now, Graine said: I doubt they'd exit-scam at this stage, but consider all your data stored and analyzed by feds. Good Point.........One I've seemed to over look until you drew attention to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilobyte Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 6 hours ago, cjpsurf said: LOL....a certified copy.....ya all just run to the bank and get it notarized .....if polo had responded and sent me any kind of an acknowledgement minus the robot email acknowledgement stating that they have received my costumer support ticket and they will be in contact soon. Today is the 12th btw and still have not heard anything but I had low expectations since some of the other peoples stories had to wait literally months. I don't think I'll be sending ANY addresses either for that matter however I'd be much obliged to send the 9 pages of trade history that occurred on the 8th of july in the span of 40 minutes. But its alot, and lots of numbers and messy......if you feel up to the task smart guy. I feel at this point it would only be to prove that Im not lying in the whole matter and still for the life of me I can't imagine why anyone would.............The reason for this post was to get a hold of other people to see what their plan of action was and if there was any recourse......Not to prove my innocence........However like I said I'd be much obliged to screen shot 9 pages of trade history IF its constructive Proving that pretty much is the point. I can't figure what your motivation would be, but still you are drumming up emotion for your personal collection. I do not like Polo either as they "feel" sneaky, however claiming an account hack would also mean that there are other account hacks, so where are those flood of complaints? You have already stated your poor security practices by telling us how much you had in an online wallet account even after all of the advice and evidence of why that is bad. This also implies that you had other poor security practices. Likely you did exactly as above and you used the same account credentials as any other website. We do not have to hack Polo to get you when we can hack a poorly secured forum and use those credentials to log in to your Polo account and trade for you. Or perhaps you had your password laying around on a post board at your local super market, but claiming a "hack" due to poor security is not a hack. It is only theft. You also go to length to explain how many denominations your money was transferred into. I would imagine that is suuuuper hard to track. Theoretically if you could then none of tis is anonymous at all and you have single handed just proven the entire crypto system a scam. Unless those transfers happened in your exact account I do not believe that you could track 2nd and 3rd level conversions. Prove it. You will need to prove it in order to take action anyway, might as well share..... You also state a few times the point that the trades were at a loss. Well if it is money that the bad guy did not have, but has it now, it does not sound like a loss to me. Your trade history will not prove anything except for YOUR trade history. There is nothing to say it is not your trade history as it is your account. So no, that will be useless. I want to see a foreign IP address logging into your account and a link to all of the BCN, BTC, ALIEN or whatever transfers exist. Don't get me wrong, I can not say it did or did not happen. But the evidence thus far is a poorly written statement by you of activity with no proof, one relatively new account which does not mean too much, and one brand new account which seemed to chime in only to comment in support of you. Your statement would decrease confidence in either XRP as a secure element or decrease confidence in Polo themselves. That is the only motivation that I can figure, which is pretty weak. So, the markets are down, @pucksterpete is collecting his beer and popcorn right now and I am bored, so I am calling you out. If your are less than truthful then so be it. If you have an actual case then there are plenty of people here that may be able to help you in some way. ScottBranson, creddit_ecksarepee and pucksterpete 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pucksterpete Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Xilobyte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dav3 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 don't forget, Polo support is dead aka 'won't response'. believe me, that's the reason I left it several months ago cjpsurf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creddit_ecksarepee Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Heh - I've been a forum jockey long enough to know when someone fabricates an alt to support themselves. Make it 200 XRP @Xilobyte Nobody doubles down on the offensive that hard when I'm wrong, they laugh it off. They don't write 6 inches of panic text to explain how I'm wrong. No proof? No screen shots? No 'console' type view into IPs or account activity? RULE NUMBER ONE ON THE INTERNET: EVERYTHING IS A LIE UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilobyte Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 hour ago, creddit_ecksarepee said: Heh - I've been a forum jockey long enough to know when someone fabricates an alt to support themselves. Make it 200 XRP @Xilobyte Nobody doubles down on the offensive that hard when I'm wrong, they laugh it off. They don't write 6 inches of panic text to explain how I'm wrong. No proof? No screen shots? No 'console' type view into IPs or account activity? RULE NUMBER ONE ON THE INTERNET: EVERYTHING IS A LIE UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE Ummmm you lost me...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creddit_ecksarepee Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Xilobyte said: Ummmm you lost me...... The OP posted a lengthy response attacking my idea that he was the same person behind that 1 post alt account. To me, thats just further evidence that he is both accounts, Thus I increased my offered bet to 200xrps with my increased confidence that OP is a phony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilobyte Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, creddit_ecksarepee said: The OP posted a lengthy response attacking my idea that he was the same person behind that 1 post alt account. To me, thats just further evidence that he is both accounts, Thus I increased my offered bet to 200xrps with my increased confidence that OP is a phony Ahh I get it. Far as I know he has not proven otherwise. Can't figure the motivation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creddit_ecksarepee Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Xilobyte said: Ahh I get it. Far as I know he has not proven otherwise. Can't figure the motivation though. Standard shitposting/trolling imo. On the slight chance that OP is even somewhat genuine, I'm with you that it comes down to ****** opsec by OP and nothing to do with polo infosec edit: also i hadnt had my coffee earlier..explains the incoherent rambling Edited July 14, 2017 by creddit_ecksarepee ninja Xilobyte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjpsurf Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share Posted July 15, 2017 On 7/12/2017 at 10:40 PM, Xilobyte said: Proving that pretty much is the point. I can't figure what your motivation would be, but still you are drumming up emotion for your personal collection. I do not like Polo either as they "feel" sneaky, however claiming an account hack would also mean that there are other account hacks, so where are those flood of complaints? You have already stated your poor security practices by telling us how much you had in an online wallet account even after all of the advice and evidence of why that is bad. This also implies that you had other poor security practices. Likely you did exactly as above and you used the same account credentials as any other website. We do not have to hack Polo to get you when we can hack a poorly secured forum and use those credentials to log in to your Polo account and trade for you. Or perhaps you had your password laying around on a post board at your local super market, but claiming a "hack" due to poor security is not a hack. It is only theft. You also go to length to explain how many denominations your money was transferred into. I would imagine that is suuuuper hard to track. Theoretically if you could then none of tis is anonymous at all and you have single handed just proven the entire crypto system a scam. Unless those transfers happened in your exact account I do not believe that you could track 2nd and 3rd level conversions. Prove it. You will need to prove it in order to take action anyway, might as well share..... You also state a few times the point that the trades were at a loss. Well if it is money that the bad guy did not have, but has it now, it does not sound like a loss to me. Your trade history will not prove anything except for YOUR trade history. There is nothing to say it is not your trade history as it is your account. So no, that will be useless. I want to see a foreign IP address logging into your account and a link to all of the BCN, BTC, ALIEN or whatever transfers exist. Don't get me wrong, I can not say it did or did not happen. But the evidence thus far is a poorly written statement by you of activity with no proof, one relatively new account which does not mean too much, and one brand new account which seemed to chime in only to comment in support of you. Your statement would decrease confidence in either XRP as a secure element or decrease confidence in Polo themselves. That is the only motivation that I can figure, which is pretty weak. So, the markets are down, @pucksterpete is collecting his beer and popcorn right now and I am bored, so I am calling you out. If your are less than truthful then so be it. If you have an actual case then there are plenty of people here that may be able to help you in some way. Well I guess I better make haste.....god forbid we keep pistol pete waiting... claiming one account gets hacked does not necessarily mean several accounts got hacked. However, I do believe in this instance it is likely since I have seen the same exact circumstances written up on other forums.....for me this is proof, for you I imagine you can can always digress into claiming that I created those threads myself so I m not going to bother to ad links here as it would be a waste of time. Perhaps you have made a strong argument that I should not have disclosed the amount in my account. In hindsight I believe that to have been in very poor judgement on my behalf for it could have served as a trap in some shape or form to catch the culprit however, once again that does not necessarily mean that that equates to poor security practices with passwords and such forth. "We do not have to hack Polo to get you when we can hack a poorly secured forum and use those credentials to log in to your Polo account and trade for you." I must admit upon reading this from you earlier It's almost as if your begging the question and I must say my suspicions ran high. As for tracking I don't believe that will serve......The manner in which they traded off my assets looked like an attempt to manipulate the market in which they accessed my account, but high and sold low an had their account picking up easy profits. Again I think this is just smoking mirrors but hey, I've been wrong before. Again, the transaction fees is what ultimately drained my account balance and the exchange would be the beneficiary of that move. So I imagine if the "bad guy" did turn a profit on manipulating the market the gains were minimal. I would like to be crystal clear here not only to your benefit but to the on-lookers that might stumble across this thread as well. I am a fanboy of XRP. I have believed in it since 2013 and I feel very fortunate for having one friend introduce me to crypto world. He does not share my emthusiasm for ripple but that's ok with me. I personally think Ripple is going to be #1 and that is all I have to say about that. In no way shape or form am I here to scare anyone from rip because "whats good for the goose is good for the gander." I see your point about potentially scaring people away from crypto and that is not my intention. Again this thread was to serve as finding others because you are always stronger with numbers. Yesterday I was awarded with a response from polo. Its attached. As for proving that I am not the other guy, that said this happened to him, I believe is an informal fallacy, "burden of proof" to be more precise and it would be impossible to prove otherwise. But I guess you knew that already @creddit_ecksarepee before making the 200 zerp bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilobyte Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, cjpsurf said: Sorry buddy, that is not proof of anything from anyone. It is an image, not an email header. Images can be forged. One way or another I do not care either way. I do not care about this image nor do I care about your "suspicions." If you are going to chime in about how authentic you are, then try actually saying something. AND yes absolutely claiming one account gets hacked DOES mean that there would have to be many others. It is a weakness exploited in an accounting system so why stop with your puny account when you can do more? So we are right back to, it is not a hack, it is poor security and a failure on your part. As thus far, the Reddits and other forums are not exploding with Polo account hacks. And ya know, I have heard the "crystal clear" argument a few times. I think Obama used it with "No more taxes" and I am pretty sure Clinton used it with "I did not have smoo with that woman." So using that term only makes you more guilty What you do not understand, is that YOU and all that you say are the actual entertainment. I am just poking you Oh and just to be "Crystal Clear" the reply from Polo states that they are sorry that your login credentials got compromised. They are saying "We are sorry you are not intelligent enough to properly secure your account" not "We apologize for our operational security which led to the break-in of your account, we would be happy to pay you back." So again, not a hack but rather your poor security practices. No need to respond...... you can go now....... @creddit_ecksarepee @pucksterpete Edited July 15, 2017 by Xilobyte creddit_ecksarepee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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