Billy boy's public calendar found :)

[HAL1000]

Wednesday, March 28th @ 11:00AM: Hinman has a scheduled meeting with Scott Kupor, managing partner of @a16z

Thursday, March 29th @ 12:30PM: Hinman had a scheduled meeting with @ConsenSys and SEC Corporation Finance official Amy Starr

Friday, April 6th @ 1:00PM: Hinman had a scheduled meeting titled: Call/mtg re: ETH

Thursday, April12th @ 4:30PM: A meeting scheduled titled "ether"

Monday, April 23rd @ 5:00PM: A scheduled meeting with @ethereumJoseph

And on the day Hinman gave his famous speech at the Yahoo Finance All Markets Summit, there was a scheduled meeting with Ripple counsel and Valerie Szczepanik at 10:00AM.

More to come!

*All dates above are from 2018*

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Holy shit - this is going to make DAI and John Deaton's heads explode with joy, the timeline they put together is now going to be concrete

 

Edited September 27, 2022 by HAL1000

[Julian_Williams]

My word the time-line just got a whole lot more detailed about the collaboration between Hinman and Consensys/Lubin just prior to Hinaman announcing a free pass.

 

Why were they talking with Ripple on the morning of the free pass speech.  Love to hear Deatons take on this

Now add the missing Hinman emails to this context and everything is getting very thick.

[Julian_Williams]

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Eleanor Terrett

@EleanorTerrett

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SCOOP: It would appear

@SECGov

and

@TimDraper

know who Satoshi Nakamoto is. Check out this entry from Wednesday, August 23rd 2017 @ 11:00AM...

 

its going to be an exciting evening

[Julian_Williams]

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John E Deaton (216K Followers Beware Imposters)

@JohnEDeaton1

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Outstanding job to

@StuYoungXRP

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@Drewsuf4

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@EleanorTerrett

. My

@CryptoLawUS

team has done a very quick review and please know this appears to be an incomplete calendar. For example, the JUNE 14, 2018 Calendar entry does NOT include his Speech in San Francisco

 

 

[RikkiTikki_is_Back]

At this point the SEC is no different than organized crime syndicates!!! This $hit is embarrassing to the country.  

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[Barefooter]

It keeps getting deeper as more is uncovered!

[Julian_Williams]

It looks like everything is coming together into a very ugly story of SEC being a hub for organised crime to get coordinated with gov employees to put together a super heist

 

 

[JASCoder]

28 minutes ago, Julian_Williams said:

It looks like everything is coming together into a very ugly story of SEC being a hub for organised crime to get coordinated with gov employees to put together a super heist

And it was their hubris to attack XRP and sabotage Ripple Labs, just because they could

An unnecessary action and abuse of power, that brought out the Global XRP Army to hold them all to account

We came together to bury these MFs - #LockThemAllUp !!

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[RikkiTikki_is_Back]

At this point this case is over!! What I mean by this is what Judge in their right frame of mind unless they have been tainted could remotely side with the SEC?? These meetings put everything their accusations stand on in doubt.  If this case does not settle we can hang our hat on this being a delay tactic and has nothing to do with law, protecting the public or whatever the SEC is calling it today!! An Exchange relisting XRP will pretty much be the signal that the final nail is being hammered into the coffin on this case.  I'm thinking the SEC will silently concede control of this space to the CFTC as this will only bring more political fall out on the current regime if they continue to pursue this.  Hinman and Clayton set Gensler up for failure and he took the bait hook line and sinker!! I have always said he is not as smart as he is built up to be, but he is good at following a plan.

[VanHasen]

37 minutes ago, RikkiTikki_is_Back said:

At this point this case is over!! What I mean by this is what Judge in their right frame of mind unless they have been tainted could remotely side with the SEC??These meetings put everything their accusations stand on in doubt.

Sry but i do not agree with this. Why would this new revealed calendar entries have any bearing on the case? First of all, there is not much news in there, we already knew hinman was meeting with consensys, lubin and co. Its even in some court documents. This new reveals "only" show about 7 meetings with re to ETH before the speech. Sure its suspicious and absolutely warrants an investigation into the sec, but even if the judges took notice of ETHgate it has no bearing on this case at its current stage because none of this is part of the motions for SJ. And the pending decision on the mail drafts is neither.

And gensler couldnt care less about hinman, clayton or even ETH. He wont settle with ripple because of hinmans corruption some years ago.

Ethgate and its surrounding corruption at claytons sec are only relevant if judge torres rules this has to be fought in court what i believe is very unlikely. I think she will end this case on SJ sometimes in march 2023 and the losing party will appeal to supreme court. By then we likely know if the sec has to turn over the hinman mail drafts, and if they do, and if the drafts indeed are very damaging, only then we could see a settlement or dismissal of the appeal to supreme court. 

IMO

[Guest]

1 hour ago, RikkiTikki_is_Back said:

At this point this case is over!! What I mean by this is what Judge in their right frame of mind unless they have been tainted could remotely side with the SEC?? These meetings put everything their accusations stand on in doubt.  If this case does not settle we can hang our hat on this being a delay tactic and has nothing to do with law, protecting the public or whatever the SEC is calling it today!! An Exchange relisting XRP will pretty much be the signal that the final nail is being hammered into the coffin on this case.  I'm thinking the SEC will silently concede control of this space to the CFTC as this will only bring more political fall out on the current regime if they continue to pursue this.  Hinman and Clayton set Gensler up for failure and he took the bait hook line and sinker!! I have always said he is not as smart as he is built up to be, but he is good at following a plan.

There has been a lot of propaganda around crypto regulation and even this case, sometimes nasty and secretly political. Please don't listen to that.

This case is about interpretation of today's law as it applies to facts that both parties agree upon. The SEC contends that the network (any crypto network) is sufficiently representative of a common enterprise and that anyone participating in that is part of that activity. Ripple is contending that there as to be a post-sale obligation for there to be a contract - whether that is implicit or explicit and that without an obligation, it's just a sale of an asset. The judge needs to present her interpretation of the law.

Examples of post-sale obligations:

• Stocks of a company gives you an ownership right to that company. 
• Government or Corporate bonds give you the right to the face value of that bond. The issuer is obliged to give you that money.
• An interest account with a declared interest would also be a contract, but it is not considered a security because it is governed under the much stricter banking act.

But buying XRP doesn't give you any obligation. Ripple has no obligation to use XRP for their products. No one has any obligation to buy your XRP back at any specific price. 

Note however, that proof of stake really threads the needle here. On the one has, proof of stake guarantees a return of sorts, so it could be considered a contract. But on the other hand, those tokens could go to zero and you don't have any recourse. That is, there is no obligation.  

If the court agrees with the SEC, then all of crypto would be unregistered securities. If the court agrees with Ripple, there will still be the need to clarify proof of stake and other consensus mechanisms. 

[RikkiTikki_is_Back]

30 minutes ago, VanHasen said:

Sry but i do not agree with this. Why would this new revealed calendar entries have any bearing on the case? First of all, there is not much news in there, we already knew hinman was meeting with consensys, lubin and co. Its even in some court documents. This new reveals "only" show about 7 meetings with re to ETH before the speech. Sure its suspicious and absolutely warrants an investigation into the sec, but even if the judges took notice of ETHgate it has no bearing on this case at its current stage because none of this is part of the motions for SJ. And the pending decision on the mail drafts is neither.

And gensler couldnt care less about hinman, clayton or even ETH. He wont settle with ripple because of hinmans corruption some years ago.

Ethgate and its surrounding corruption at claytons sec are only relevant if judge torres rules this has to be fought in court what i believe is very unlikely. I think she will end this case on SJ sometimes in march 2023 and the losing party will appeal to supreme court. By then we likely know if the sec has to turn over the hinman mail drafts, and if they do, and if the drafts indeed are very damaging, only then we could see a settlement or dismissal of the appeal to supreme court. 

IMO

I think it has bearing the same reason a murder suspects documented calendar would have bearings on his whereabouts during the time the murder was committed and if said suspect lied and said he was here when his calendar indicated he was there, then everything he said or say's from that point forward is in doubt, same principles apply here.  This paints a worse picture on the SEC and in politics perception is everything.  The SEC is a representation of the congress that appoints them and if that entity stands out as a huge failure it will reflect at the polls!! Unless the SEC comes up with something just as damning against ripple.  Until this point the meetings were just a myth spoken by intuitive youtubbers but denied by SEC officials or not acknowledged!! It's kind of like finding out Bigfoot does exist and our government has been hiding him!!

Edited September 28, 2022 by RikkiTikki_is_Back