Cold Wallet to Xumm but no SGB?

[robertbruce]

I've imported a paper wallet into Xumm. The paper wallet is showing my SGB claim by way of setting the eth address before the Flare snapshot.

Xumm is not showing my SGB after setting the gatehub SGB trustline. 

My exchanged distributed our SGB, i sent it to Bitrue. I thought SGB was a tokem but Xumm support have told me it's an IOU...

Im not quite getting why i had to set a Gatehub trustline when the SGB is showing is already showing on thomp & i was able to transfere my exchange sgb to another?

 

 

[BillyOckham]

1 hour ago, robertbruce said:

I've imported a paper wallet into Xumm. The paper wallet is showing my SGB claim by way of setting the eth address before the Flare snapshot.

Xumm is not showing my SGB after setting the gatehub SGB trustline. 

My exchanged distributed our SGB, i sent it to Bitrue. I thought SGB was a tokem but Xumm support have told me it's an IOU...

Im not quite getting why i had to set a Gatehub trustline when the SGB is showing is already showing on thomp & i was able to transfere my exchange sgb to another?

I am not an expert but will try to help.  There is a lot to unpack here.  You seem to be saying contradictory things so we will need to sort out what’s going on.

 

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I've imported a paper wallet into Xumm.

Ok….  so you had some XRP in that address and you’ve imported the key into XUMM.

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The paper wallet is showing my SGB claim by way of setting the eth address before the Flare snapshot.

So this sounds like you were using Bithomp or XRPSCAN or some other XRPL explorer to see that you had the Flare address set in the MessageKey field.

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Xumm is not showing my SGB after setting the gatehub SGB trustline. 

This sounds like a misunderstanding on your part.  You later say you’d sent your SGB to Bitrue.  So why would they show up in XUMM?

 

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My exchanged distributed our SGB, i sent it to Bitrue.

This is where things get murkier.  I thought you were using self custody.  But here you say that the exchange distributed your SGB.  Did you have XRP on exchange AND in self custody?

 

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I thought SGB was a tokem but Xumm support have told me it's an IOU...

SGB is a token that lives on the newly created Songbird network.  You can never see it in XUMM because XUMM is connected to the XRP network NOT the Songbird network.

 

Prior to that network being created,  certain exchanges were trading in IOU’s that were to stand for the tokens that were coming to users.  That’s the reason for trustlines…   they allow those IOUs to be moved on the XRPL.

Now to the real issue.   If you were self custodying and you claimed correctly, then you WILL have SGB on the Songbird network (not the XRPL, that was just were you left the claim message).  Don’t look for them in XUMM…   that’s the wrong network.  You need a Songbird wallet to access the Songbird network.  I’d suggest Bifrost wallet,  but there may be others.

 

Once you install the Songbird network wallet then you can import the keys to the Etherium-type address that your SGB reside at.

This is the crunch.  If you don’t have the keys to that Etherium compatible address (the one you put in the XRPL MessageKey field as the claim address) then you can’t ever access them.  I hope that’s not the case.  Good luck.

 

 

[PunishmentOfLuxury]

Billy gave a very good reply. I would add that it is possible to transact SGB IOUs on the XRPL by using a gateway - the only one I know of is Gatehub Fifth - to issue the IOUs which you can then send to the XRPL and trade on the DEX. In that case you would see the SGB in the XUMM wallet app. To get the 'real' SGB back you would return the IOUs to Gatehub Fifth and then you can send the SGB back to the Songbird network.

[robertbruce]

Thank you so much @BillyOckham and @PunishmentOfLuxury you've cleared that up for me and yes i have the eth keys... 

is this true, all the coins, like eg csc & alv, i set a trust line for are IOUs? 

[robertbruce]

 Did you have XRP on exchange AND in self custody? Yes

[BillyOckham]

31 minutes ago, robertbruce said:

Thank you so much @BillyOckham and @PunishmentOfLuxury you've cleared that up for me and yes i have the eth keys... 

is this true, all the coins, like eg csc & alv, i set a trust line for are IOUs? 

Most welcome.   Glad to hear you have the keys.  Import them into Bifrost or your chosen wallet and you will see the SGB.

 

IOUs….  It’s only XRP that is a native token on the XRPL.     Cant be frozen.  All others are issued by someone and depending on settings can be potentially frozen.  Anyone can issue any token they like (even multiple people issuing the same name token) on the XRPL.   Gateways issue tokens that represent an iou to the named token.  If you send them the IOU they swap it for the real thing whatever network it exists on.

Anyway I think you are out of trouble now that you know to import the ETH-like keys into a Songbird wallet.

 

 

[Offthegrid]

23 hours ago, robertbruce said:

I've imported a paper wallet into Xumm. The paper wallet is showing my SGB claim by way of setting the eth address before the Flare snapshot.

Xumm is not showing my SGB after setting the gatehub SGB trustline. 

My exchanged distributed our SGB, i sent it to Bitrue. I thought SGB was a tokem but Xumm support have told me it's an IOU...

Im not quite getting why i had to set a Gatehub trustline when the SGB is showing is already showing on thomp & i was able to transfere my exchange sgb to another?

 

 

You will need a Bifrost or DCENT wallet. XUMM is not compatible with the SGB or FLR. Those tokens in XUMM are trustlines which are not true tokens (IOUs). The tokens you are to receive are true tokens and they need to be on the proper wallet. I recommend Bifrost since its more user friendly. 

With those wallet keys you will be able to create a Bifrost wallet

Rule 1, do not let anyone or online site see those wallet keys!!! 

Once set up, you will be given an XRP address, an ETH address, and you will manually input your SGB will be usually be the Ox....address given to you

Have any questions, let me know

[robertbruce]

ive tripped up on Bitfrost wallet ☹️... Ive created a new wallet but cant find how to import the sgb eth secret key. When i goto advanced/derititive it just hangs not allowing me to type into the slot... When i tried to setup again by "importing an existing wallet" it asks for the recovery words. i dont have recovery phrase from setting up for the airdrop, just the key number. Im usually a lot smarter than this ☹️ Any assist greatly appreciated.

[brianwalden]

42 minutes ago, robertbruce said:

ive tripped up on Bitfrost wallet ☹️... Ive created a new wallet but cant find how to import the sgb eth secret key. When i goto advanced/derititive it just hangs not allowing me to type into the slot... When i tried to setup again by "importing an existing wallet" it asks for the recovery words. i dont have recovery phrase from setting up for the airdrop, just the key number. Im usually a lot smarter than this ☹️ Any assist greatly appreciated.

I don't know if Bifrost lets you setup a wallet using the key (someone correct me if I'm wrong). But MetaMask will. You might have to let it create a new wallet first (or import one of your wallets by recovery phrase), but then once you have one address you can import a new one by private key. Then you can set up a connection to Songbird.

https://docs.flare.network/en/tutorials/wallets/how-to-access-flare-network-with-metamask

[robertbruce]

1 hour ago, brianwalden said:

I don't know if Bifrost lets you setup a wallet using the key (someone correct me if I'm wrong). But MetaMask will. You might have to let it create a new wallet first (or import one of your wallets by recovery phrase), but then once you have one address you can import a new one by private key. Then you can set up a connection to Songbird.

https://docs.flare.network/en/tutorials/wallets/how-to-access-flare-network-with-metamask

ive scoured thu the Bitfrost faq, no mention of importing a key.  Am waiting on @Offthegrid @billy & @punishmentofluxury responses, perhaps it used allow key import my ver 0.2.6

[robertbruce]

after loading metamask & looming for importing a secret key i find chrome app on android does not support extensions... but other android browsers may support this app.

Usually i would use my pc which i would then make an exception & use chrome for this task rather than my prefferred browser but in this case i am away from home and electricity challegned so my phone is the only choice for now.

perhaps i can spend the whole of my next weekend (again) trying to sort this.

perhaps there is a way to do it from within the App... MM certainly offers plently of chitcoins to import, even XRPc which im presuming isnt XRP.

Looking quickly i couldnt even see a way to import an XRP secret.

MM is a consensys product after all..

nonetheless, thankyou to responders, any other suggestions would be appreciated

[NightJanitor]

You're kidding me.  I was just about to start playing around with Bifrost - but have a ton of SGB addresses/keys and did not **** around with "recovery phrases".  What the **** are they thinking?  That's some half-assed bullshit, if I'm reading right.

[robertbruce]

15 minutes ago, NightJanitor said:

You're kidding me.  I was just about to start playing around with Bifrost - but have a ton of SGB addresses/keys and did not **** around with "recovery phrases".  What the **** are they thinking?  That's some half-assed bullshit, if I'm reading right.

it should be simple & intuitive, but ive failed...please  @NightJanitor have a quick go at this, thats all it should take... i might have missed something

[NightJanitor]

It's on my to-do for next week or two.  (Wanted to play around with Sparkles - yeah, yeah, whine all you want about "NFTs" being useless, kids, but you see all that licensing data at, say, the bottom of every youtube video? - and get more familiar.)

If Bifrost doesn't allow imports via key - and support multiple addresses, as well - then they're missing a very big market...

We'll see.

[BillyOckham]

4 hours ago, robertbruce said:

after loading metamask & looming for importing a secret key i find chrome app on android does not support extensions... but other android browsers may support this app.

But can’t you install the MetaMask app?  Not the browser extension, the app.