Moderator question: Ban from thread?

[jbjnr]

Dear moderators, please feel free to move this thread to somewhere else as I was not sure where to put it (I expect there's a section for this kind of thing)

I find xrpchat increasingly unreadable (and I doubt I am alone) due to the pointless contributions made by a significant number of posters who appear to have no reason to be here other than to criticize other posters, post their annoying comments about price movements or spread FUD-like nonsense by commenting constantly about how awful ripple are, how much in the red they are, etc etc

I can ignore these posters and do so frequently, but their comments still appear as quoted references - and - wonderful though they try to be, some xrpchat members feel that they have to correct these posters, by pointing out where they have made a mistake, making the threads they hijack longer and giving the trolls the airspace that they crave so desperately. Every pointless comment by an 'unhappy investor' leads to ten further comments that do nothing for the quality of xrpchat and only serves to bring it down to the level of the rest of the internet.

A solution that comes to mind is a 'ban-from-thread' feature that the creator of a topic would be able to use to ban further contributions to that thread alone by users who try to hijack it, or who post off-topic comments that degrade the thread quality. The user who starts a thread would have free reign to prevent any poster that wants to hijack the thread from adding to it. (If the trolls want to create their own threads devoted to their own topic, then they can do so).

Can it be done?

Thanks

[SquaryBone]

Would you be perhaps referring to a member name starting with "Director" ? :p

[LetHerRip]

You already have the Zerperning, a cult like circle-jerk echochamber of toxic "positivity" only and delusion, where only the faithful are allowed to enter and participate. That's where most of you whiners came from now that you stepped onto the main forum and have to deal with opinions other than the indoctrinated. Go back to your cave and you will be "safe" there .

Edited February 24, 2020 by LetHerRip

[karstnDE]

15 minutes ago, LetHerRip said:

You already have the Zerperning, a cult like circle-jerk echochamber of toxic "positivity" only and delusion, where only the faithful are allowed to enter and participate. That's where most of you whiners came from now that you stepped onto the main forum and have to deal with opinions other than the indoctrinated. Go back to your cave and you will be "safe" there .

It would be great if it were opinions but it is obvious that it’s only about destruction.

[QWE]

19 minutes ago, LetHerRip said:

You already have the Zerperning, a cult like circle-jerk echochamber of toxic "positivity" only and delusion, where only the faithful are allowed to enter and participate. That's where most of you whiners came from now that you stepped onto the main forum and have to deal with opinions other than the indoctrinated. Go back to your cave and you will be "safe" there .

I was waiting for the first “you guys are just an echo chamber and can’t handle criticism” comment as soon as I saw this topic and here we are, not even an hour after the topic was posted.

You can see tulo and Sukrim constantly giving valid criticism to XRP and Ripple for years now, and yet no one is telling them to go away. You know why? Because they bring value to discussion.

There are topics and debates on this forum that are truly interesting, but get interrupted and trashed for no particular reason. You have a counter argument? Write it in a normal, articulate way, support it with facts and we’ll have a great forum for everyone.

Edited February 24, 2020 by QWE
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[xrphilosophy]

1 hour ago, jbjnr said:

Dear moderators, please feel free to move this thread to somewhere else as I was not sure where to put it (I expect there's a section for this kind of thing)

I find xrpchat increasingly unreadable (and I doubt I am alone) due to the pointless contributions made by a significant number of posters who appear to have no reason to be here other than to criticize other posters, post their annoying comments about price movements or spread FUD-like nonsense by commenting constantly about how awful ripple are, how much in the red they are, etc etc

I can ignore these posters and do so frequently, but their comments still appear as quoted references - and - wonderful though they try to be, some xrpchat members feel that they have to correct these posters, by pointing out where they have made a mistake, making the threads they hijack longer and giving the trolls the airspace that they crave so desperately. Every pointless comment by an 'unhappy investor' leads to ten further comments that do nothing for the quality of xrpchat and only serves to bring it down to the level of the rest of the internet.

A solution that comes to mind is a 'ban-from-thread' feature that the creator of a topic would be able to use to ban further contributions to that thread alone by users who try to hijack it, or who post off-topic comments that degrade the thread quality. The user who starts a thread would have free reign to prevent any poster that wants to hijack the thread from adding to it. (If the trolls want to create their own threads devoted to their own topic, then they can do so).

Can it be done?

Thanks

I'm not sure whether this can be accomplished or not personally.  Another mod may have more info on this. I do know that for the past several months I have been giving daily warnings to the obvious grumps who contribute little, INSULT other members, and are constantly trying to tear down constructive conversation with repeatedly narrow negative comments.  I mean it's pretty obvious.  This has led to multiple bans along the way when those warned keep at it.  Always trying to be fair in that some folks get angry, realize their mistake, and begin acting civilly once again, but others are just here to flame others. I have no ultimate solutions for the stress of some members except to keep handing out warnings which end up being bans.  The main area where this seems to be happening is in the price and speculation threads.  It's much less of a problem in the lion's share of threads.

 

22 minutes ago, LetHerRip said:

You already have the Zerperning, a cult like circle-jerk echochamber of toxic "positivity" only and delusion, where only the faithful are allowed to enter and participate. That's where most of you whiners came from now that you stepped onto the main forum and have to deal with opinions other than the indoctrinated. Go back to your cave and you will be "safe" there .

I think this is unfair.  Whenever you take a group of hundreds of people and wholesale delegitimize them it's an obvious untruth.  Giving you a warning for abusive behavior just for that. You know better as you've been around for awhile.  Disappointed.

And a message for everyone- it's no one's right to be on this forum- it's really a privilege.  Speak to others as you would your co-workers in real life, or plan to not be a part of this forum. I think those guidelines are fair enough.    The mass of people here are fantastic contributors, impressive actually!  There are a few rude keyboard warriors that go rogue, and feel entitled to be disruptive in a destructive way.  As I said I am confronting them everyday.  It's quite a bore actually.  But new ones always come up.  Overall I would say a degree of civility has ensued during this long long bear market for the most part, but it just takes a few to really spoil the experience for a given thread.  That's all the insight I personally have to offer right now. All I can do is my small part. Thanks for the thread @jbjnr.

 

[LetHerRip]

23 minutes ago, QWE said:

 You have a counter argument? Write it in a normal, articulate way, support it with facts and we’ll have a great forum for everyone.

I agree and the rules of the forum are the same for everyone, if they are broken they will be warned and eventually banned.

Now banning people just because you don't like them or they don't support your worldview, is plain wrong. The rules are the same for everyone and go both ways.

Also as I said before what is being proposed here already exists in the groups section, where people are barred and banned at entering or participating at will if they don't conform to indoctrination.

[jbjnr]

8 minutes ago, LetHerRip said:

Also as I said before what is being proposed here already exists in the groups section, where people are barred and banned at entering or participating at will if they don't conform to indoctrination.

I disagree. A "group" should be dedicated to a special interest of some kind..

In the general sections open to everyone, I like to skim through the news and general discussion. I also skim the TA threads just to see if anything is predicted to happen in the near future even if I don't believe it to be reliable/factual/useful.

Threads such as the AMA with Nicolas are interesting and have been mostly free of problems, but should someone post something offtopic, abusive or otherwise it would be nice to be able to remove them.

59 minutes ago, LetHerRip said:

You already have the Zerperning, a cult like circle-jerk echochamber of toxic "positivity" only and delusion, where only the faithful are allowed to enter and participate.

I do not participate in that group and I am not aware of what is discussed there. I am only asking for "grown up" discussion in the main threads and I should not be forced off the forum by people who do not wish to (or are not capable of) keeping discussion relevant or on topic.

The moderators have a hard time keeping up with the abuse on this forum, allowing thread creators to police their own topics would remove the burden of work from them. Off topic posters can post as before and would not be banned from the forum, but only the thread that they are unwelcome on. If the system were abused by the topic creators, then readers would simply move to another thread.

[QWE]

25 minutes ago, LetHerRip said:

Now banning people just because you don't like them or they don't support your worldview, is plain wrong. The rules are the same for everyone and go both ways.

Support your statement – who on this forum was banned solely because of his/her views or because moderators “don’t like them”? People get warned and banned for insulting and slurring, but I have not heard of a case where someone got banned from the forum because of their “worldview”. I am not saying it has not happened, but if it has, you should be able to name a few.

25 minutes ago, LetHerRip said:

Also as I said before what is being proposed here already exists in the groups section, where people are barred and banned at entering or participating at will if they don't conform to indoctrination.

A perfect example of where this feature would come in handy are the TA threads. Personally, I’m not a fan of TA, but there are certain people in there constantly interrupting posters that bring value to the topic.

You don’t believe TA works? Great, open a separate topic and state the facts, use trader’s success rate as proof, warn people of dangers of following TA advice. It’s even OK to comment the TA thread and post arguments against other TA posts, just do it in a polite, civilized manner.

If I were following the BTC or XRP TA threads, I would find it super annoying to try and read the actual TA posts among all the trash posts from both sides. Those two threads are super ripe for a function to ban certain people from that thread only. Right now it’s like trying to hear the speaker in a room full of arguing, screaming people.

Edited February 24, 2020 by QWE

[LetHerRip]

18 minutes ago, QWE said:

Support your statement – who on this forum was banned solely because of his/her views or because moderators “don’t like them”? People get warned and banned for insulting and slurring, but I have not heard of a case where someone got banned from the forum because of their “worldview”. I am not saying it has not happened, but if it has, you should be able to name a few.

I was talking about the 'ban-from-thread' feature would open the possibility to banning a person based solely on the fact you don't like them or want them to participate in it, furthermore that you can already do that in the groups section. The main forum shouldn't become and echo chamber or cult gathering as some of the groups are.

Edited February 24, 2020 by LetHerRip

[elias]

28 minutes ago, xrphilosophy said:

Whenever you take a group of hundreds of people and wholesale delegitimize them it's an obvious untruth. 

An obvious untruth huh?

[LetHerRip]

1 minute ago, elias said:

An obvious untruth huh?

@xrphilosophy is obviously a member of this prestigious club and felt the need to defend it.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, xrphilosophy said:

But new ones always come up. 

I am certain I have seen a commonality of style among certain posters...  having been banned,  they resurrect as a new member.  I don’t think there is a cure for it but it’s not unnoticed.  
 

I’m also fairly certain that some negative attackers have simultaneous multiple avatars with which they support their own bile.  Just my thoughts..,  I could be wrong.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, LetHerRip said:

The main forum shouldn't become and echo chamber or cult gathering as some of the groups are.

I think that is a total nonsense.  I’m in the Zerpening and the very last thing I would ever tolerate is a cult.  
 

I like it there because the bile of the rest of the forum is largely unrepresented.  It’s definitely not an echo chamber as I was just recently strongly debating a point of disagreement with others.  There have been many such debates there.

The ‘to the moon’ exuberance is always tongue in cheek,  and often is totally absent while Russian Gulag type humour reigns.    I suspect all who claim it’s a cult just haven’t been there,  or simply didn’t fit in with a fellowship vibe,  and are now sour they are out.  If you or others don’t see it that way I think it’s saying something about your maturity.

 

[Staigera]

Dude unless you haven't noticed this forum is already almost dead. Hell this whole crypto space is barely alive. And now you want to have a thread ban fest.

This topic should be banned.