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do you think david schwartz would prefer Xrp at half price or Ripple labs stock?

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3 minutes ago, John_Buh said:

Excellent point - this forum has developed a kind of orthodoxy - an acceptable way of speaking about Ripple and XRP that has turned it into an echo chamber.  Calling what you wrote FUD is lazy.  Of course you don't want to turn into another Max E. but a healthy look at the darker side of the rainbow here is a good exercise.

i agree... people say they love ripple labs... but they never say "screw Xrp, Xcurrent is awesome! its so much better(it may not be, i really don't know, when is comes to utility for FI, i'm really not an expert, but they both come from the same place...)", in fact the best you'll get from here is, "ugh! more Xcurrent news, but don't worry guys, in the long run, this will help Xrp!" i have the sneaky suspicion that they actually don't really care in ripple labs, their developments and changing the world, and just want Xrp to go up in price... so, perhaps another question is worth while... if ripple labs did a tweet saying that "tech has changed, and the seas have risen, we can now make a whole different value system out of icecream and sun beams... nothing like this has ever been done... and it works... how ever this makes Xrp worthless", would people here be happy that ripple labs have done this, or ****** off? ripple labs is about innovation, no? are we about innovation, or getting rich?

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2 minutes ago, Ripple-Stiltskin said:

I don’t care what David would prefer. But speaking for myself I prefer XRP at this moment above stocks. Thanks to cryptomarket being the Wild West,  without regulations and including the whales and all the manipulation, there’s still a possibility that XRP will rise parabolic this year, like in 2017 ( 35000%). That’s my high risk bet, realising it could go to zero too. 

Once regulated like stockmarket is, the potential gains will be the “normal” few% a year. Boring. 

But yeah, it’s a nervewrecking, mindf*cking game and requires more patience than I can maintain at some moments. But I don’t want to be Greg.

now, you see... i like this damn comment!!!! and he's right... high risk, but like no other market...

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1 minute ago, Ljk said:

now, you see... i like this damn comment!!!! and he's right... high risk, but like no other market...

Haha, I never said otherwise, just maintain your independent thinking in the echochamber. I don’ t care about the tech or the worldchanging mission, nor am I in love with Brad or David. I’m in it for the money,  rather being rich today than tomorrow. 

That having said: off all coins I believe in Ripple the most and I’m very positive about their progress. Good job until now, carry on guys. OfcourseI have some criticism ( mainly on the PR side, but this is improving), but no need to post these every day just to prove I’m not a blind fanboy. Nothing wrong  with focussing at the positive points, self-interest here, don’t gonna bash my own investment, could cost me money, lol. 

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23 minutes ago, Ripple-Stiltskin said:

I don’t care what David would prefer. But speaking for myself I prefer XRP at this moment above stocks. Thanks to cryptomarket being the Wild West,  without regulations and including the whales and all the manipulation, there’s still a possibility that XRP will rise parabolic this year, like in 2017 ( 35000%). That’s my high risk bet, realising it could go to zero too. 

Once regulated like stockmarket is, the potential gains will be the “normal” few% a year. Boring. 

But yeah, it’s a nervewrecking, mindf*cking game and requires more patience than I can maintain at some moments. But I don’t want to be Greg.

I'm not sure anymore - given this dimestore joke of a 'market' I would welcome something resembling a regulated market.  The key as I see it is breaking away from Bitcoin.  I never intended to invest in Bitcoin and now the fortunes of XRP are firmly lashed to this horrid beast.  Something has to give.

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true... but my main issue is that before the crypto madness, if the price went crazy up, or down, i could use these sites to work out very quickly why it was happening, (i remember back in, i think, october, korea said they were bringing in some sort of reg... and the price went down (a few cents, oooohhh, those were the days!), and i was able to work out why by going on reddit or these kind of sites, and act accordingly (holding, or selling, picking up more at the bottom, knowing it'll rise again))... you cant do that here anymore... maybe 12 hours later,  someone will say why the shift happened, when things have stabilized... personally, i'd like the type of info on here which is quality... not links to a newspaper like 'the express' (which is a propaganda newspaper for the far right in england... the only news outlet that publishes regularly "ripple crashes!" when it goes up 2 points, or "massive ripple gains!" when its crashing! )

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8 minutes ago, John_Buh said:

I'm not sure anymore - given this dimestore joke of a 'market' I would welcome something resembling a regulated market.  The key as I see it is breaking away from Bitcoin.  I never intended to invest in Bitcoin and now the fortunes of XRP are firmly lashed to this horrid beast.  Something has to give.

i agree that i'm totally sick of bitcoin being the pied piper... i'd like to see different currencies acting differently... they did used to last year... but now they act in suit... that said, i don't wish to see any decent 'cryptos' fail... whats good for one, is good for all.... and is better than the current system... but yeah, i would like to see some independence...

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1 minute ago, John_Buh said:

I'm not sure anymore - given this dimestore joke of a 'market' I would welcome something resembling a regulated market.  The key as I see it is breaking away from Bitcoin.  I never intended to invest in Bitcoin and now the fortunes of XRP are firmly lashed to this horrid beast.  Something has to give.

My wife and I having this same discussion over and over again. It’s very simple imho: if history repeats itself ( on which I’m obviously gambling) then we have to wait 9 of the 12 months with boring prices going 10% up and 10% down, just for 1 or 2 runs of > 1000%.  Don’t forget to take profits at that moment and keep some in reserve for the inevitable decline after the run. 

Due to all good news and developments I see an other possiblity now and that is that Ripple will come with groundbreaking news and will decouple from BTC. I believe this will happen soon ( tm), but this could be 100% wrong. 

So gambling on a run/decoupling news, with just marginal better odds than red or black in the casino.

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3 minutes ago, Ripple-Stiltskin said:

Due to all good news and developments I see an other possiblity now and that is that Ripple will come with groundbreaking news and will decouple from BTC. I believe this will happen soon ( tm), but this could be 100% wrong. 

Yep - I think the decoupling event will be some huge news.  Otherwise we endure this BS.

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29 minutes ago, John_Buh said:

I'm not sure anymore - given this dimestore joke of a 'market' I would welcome something resembling a regulated market.  The key as I see it is breaking away from Bitcoin.  I never intended to invest in Bitcoin and now the fortunes of XRP are firmly lashed to this horrid beast.  Something has to give.

A thought ive been playing with is that part of the parabolic potential of XRP is precisely due to the fact the crypto market exists as it is. We're here early, so this is how it has to function in order for the potential of a moon to exist...in other words, the tie to BTC actually enhances the potential bounce once the elastic band holdings xrp back breaks...thoughts?

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38 minutes ago, xrpmeplease said:

A thought ive been playing with is that part of the parabolic potential of XRP is precisely due to the fact the crypto market exists as it is. We're here early, so this is how it has to function in order for the potential of a moon to exist...in other words, the tie to BTC actually enhances the potential bounce once the elastic band holdings xrp back breaks...thoughts?

look... i'm disturbed by the elephant in the room... crypto boomed over christmas... the crash has hurt way more people than i think anyone here is willing to admit (hurt new buyers... which means no repeat business... and no word of mouth of those people... very likely the opposite)... the elephant is: cryptos have been becoming less independent of each other, not more... we used to see runs from all kinds... ether would run for a few days, then ripple... while another was dipping... then two things happened... 1) bitcoin in october didn't stop going up, to begin with people thought it was the 2 hardforks that were coming... but after 'gold' and seg (which didn't happen), they realised it was the futures market... sucked the air out of everything... then ripple went crazy with the bitcoin rumor, which was the last time i saw 'independence'... since then, crash crash crash.... 2) the tax issue... in the past, you could jump from one coin to the next without the change in tax liability... then the tax code changed... since then people who have stuck around have picked camps, and stayed there... which isn't good for runs in other currencies... its still water... you need people jumping between cryptos for a healthy run in all coins (especially when new money has turned to a trickle...)...

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32 minutes ago, Ljk said:

look... i'm disturbed by the elephant in the room... crypto boomed over christmas... the crash has hurt way more people than i think anyone here is willing to admit (hurt new buyers... which means no repeat business... and no word of mouth of those people... very likely the opposite)... the elephant is: cryptos have been becoming less independent of each other, not more... we used to see runs from all kinds... ether would run for a few days, then ripple... while another was dipping... then two things happened... 1) bitcoin in october didn't stop going up, to begin with people thought it was the 2 hardforks that were coming... but after 'gold' and seg (which didn't happen), they realised it was the futures market... sucked the air out of everything... then ripple went crazy with the bitcoin rumor, which was the last time i saw 'independence'... since then, crash crash crash.... 2) the tax issue... in the past, you could jump from one coin to the next without the change in tax liability... then the tax code changed... since then people who have stuck around have picked camps, and stayed there... which isn't good for runs in other currencies... its still water... you need people jumping between cryptos for a healthy run in all coins (especially when new money has turned to a trickle...)...

but the run we're waiting on won't be driven by people jumping from coin to coin, its going to be driven by the big boys entering the market, everything before hand is just a prelude...thats what makes xrp different...

what i was saying before is that given the market were in now is basically retail market, we can't help but be tied to btc, who in essence created the market....and i agree when you say the market is dead right now and more volume is required, but even then i'm not sure more retail action does much for xrp in the grand scheme of things...however, the retail FOMO after the institutional money enters could drive a parabolic big time...

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2 hours ago, Ripple-Stiltskin said:

My wife and I having this same discussion over and over again. It’s very simple imho: if history repeats itself ( on which I’m obviously gambling) then we have to wait 9 of the 12 months with boring prices going 10% up and 10% down, just for 1 or 2 runs of > 1000%.  Don’t forget to take profits at that moment and keep some in reserve for the inevitable decline after the run. 

Due to all good news and developments I see an other possiblity now and that is that Ripple will come with groundbreaking news and will decouple from BTC. I believe this will happen soon ( tm), but this could be 100% wrong. 

So gambling on a run/decoupling news, with just marginal better odds than red or black in the casino.

So in your opinion the "hold for 3-5 years, the long term investment, Ripple will be big in the future" has no ground? Is just about taking profits from September to December and that's it?

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2 minutes ago, PacalVotan said:

So in your opinion the "hold for 3-5 years, the long term investment, Ripple will be big in the future" has no ground? Is just about taking profits from September to December and that's it?

That’s very personal and depends on your target. For me $50 is enough to reach my goals. This can happen next 12 months, and as soon as it will I take profits ( but never sell all). Others have a target of $ 200 or even more. It’s reasonable that this will take longer, but who knows. And there are people who don’t want to sell at all and wait for the outcome after 3 or 5 years. 

Different people, different goals, different strategies, different visions. No right or wrong here.

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6 minutes ago, PacalVotan said:

So in your opinion the "hold for 3-5 years, the long term investment, Ripple will be big in the future" has no ground? Is just about taking profits from September to December and that's it?

it's a weird thing here... people say they love owning ripple, when the price drops they consider it a 'fire sale' and everyone should hold and buy more (which is boiler room talk).... truth is, if you actually believed in Xrp in the long run, you'd try and get a feel for things, and accumulate as much as you can with the ebbs and flow of the market... ie. it's been crashing hard, but... technically, if your timing is right, you should have more Xrp than you ever had while it was booming... (i was doing well, for a while, but judged one night badly... but such is the nature of things...)

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9 minutes ago, Ripple-Stiltskin said:

That’s very personal and depends on your target. For me $50 is enough to reach my goals. This can happen next 12 months, and as soon as it will I take profits ( but never sell all). Others have a target of $ 200 or even more. It’s reasonable that this will take longer, but who knows. And there are people who don’t want to sell at all and wait for the outcome after 3 or 5 years. 

Different people, different goals, different strategies, different visions. No right or wrong here.

i agree with this... its a new market... theres no right way to go... my ex girlfriends father is with a big HF, and he said normally the strat i'm doing would be in reverse, but after thinking about it for a few days, thinks the reverse is best for this market (purposely not saying strat here...)... like relationships, whatever works... (but make it work...)

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