Guest Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Well, for historical accuracy... Let me also state that it is likely that Ripple, the Company and the Ripple Developers has been involved in the design/development/testing/release of the 'Ledger Wallet for Ripple' product. The degree to which this is the case will be revealing. It is likely that my negative assessment of the product, explains... the heated response from NikB. Just for the record... let us see how this plays out... The one thing that the Banks and the Corporate 500 do well enough is... security. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 @LordVetinari Hi... No this is serious business... I guess I should leave the observations to people who understand security. I have released software products into all the major global communications companies, militaries and other security minded companies... they tear the developers apart on this. The developers that do not understand the significance of this is an assessment of the skills they bring to the discussion. Alternatively, you could say that Google was wasting time release a secure environment. :-) You can imagine what fun Andeas or Vays would have with this fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiklop Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) Wow, so much hate and name calling with zero arguments provided. Your state of mind is indeed in max entropy state. Nomen est omen. Edited November 23, 2017 by kiklop Sharkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 This is a weird situation... i and my colleagues spend money on the Ledge Wallet Nan S precisely for the Ripple purported support it fails to execute on Windows 10 (on 2 instances), and thus can not be used Reddit cites many others in August and more recently with the same problem Ledger Wallet does not seem to be supporting the product as there are no fixes Ripple has no other solutions for storage other than central exchanges Ripple rejects problem reports Ripple rejects security design flaws Ripple huffs and puffs about the lack off cryptographic signature on the Windows installer as not being significant. (I will check the other OS installers) ... we decide to pitch the Nan S It feels to me that Ripple "has a dog in this fight"... You will note that Ripple : never responds to the failure on Windows never responds to the design flaw, they huff and puff about signatures not being useful... cute ... nice eco-system -- Weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodlezerper Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Max Entropy said: This is a weird situation... i and my colleagues spend money on the Ledge Wallet Nan S precisely for the Ripple purported support it fails to execute on Windows 10 (on 2 instances), and thus can not be used Reddit cites many others in August and more recently with the same problem Ledger Wallet does not seem to be supporting the product as there are no fixes Ripple has no other solutions for storage other than central exchanges Ripple rejects problem reports Ripple rejects security design flaws Ripple huffs and puffs about the lack off cryptographic signature on the Windows installer as not being significant. (I will check the other OS installers) ... we decide to pitch the Nan S It feels to me that Ripple "has a dog in this fight"... You will note that Ripple : never responds to the failure on Windows never responds to the design flaw, they huff and puff about signatures not being useful... cute ... nice eco-system -- Weird Are you suggesting that the ledger nano s does not work on any windows 10 device? are there others with your issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Yes, see my reference to Reddit... there are some 4-5 webpage lists of posts (100 posts maybe and more comments)... not all of which pertain to this specific problem... but enough to signify serious concern, if you are a developer of a software product. From my experience humans do not spend time reporting 'problems' that are not real. It is arrogant and wrong for Ripple to give the finger to people with software problems which are directly associated with their network and monetary value. I would use stronger language in private. :-) -- You may also recall that I reported here, i believe the only one to do so, that the ill fated BitGo software wallet also... did not work on iPhone and iOS... if required, I can be very specific. This caused me to look at 'their' implementation only to realize that it was a server side JavaScript implementation. Nice centralization. I am pretty negative on Ripple design/development/testing/product release abilities, as a function of my experience. Now... Ripple will say that it, the BitGo product is not their product, but you can be sure that Ripple participated in it, as well. -- From a user perspective... we expect to buy and use products... I buy tires for my car, I should be able to buy a wallet for the Ripple network. You'd think. -- From a personal perspective, I do NOT enjoy testing Ripple products... and then having to their bugs/report problems. Competent companies find their own bugs before software release, then have a product support programme. Ripple's approach is to stone the messenger. More specifically, if companies can not find simple problems like Windows 10, then you can be sure more complex problems exist, as the competency of the QA Group is then called into question. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodlezerper Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Max Entropy said: Yes, see my reference to Reddit... there are some 4-5 webpage lists of posts (100 posts maybe and more comments)... not all of which pertain to this specific problem... but enough to signify serious concern, if you are a developer of a software product. From my experience humans do not spend time reporting 'problems' that are not real. It is arrogant and wrong for Ripple to give the finger to people with software problems which are directly associated with their network and monetary value. I would use stronger language in private. :-) -- You may also recall that I reported here, i believe the only one to do so, that the ill fated BitGo software wallet also... did not work on iPhone and iOS... if required, I can be very specific. This caused me to look at 'their' implementation only to realize that it was a server side JavaScript implementation. Nice centralization. I am pretty negative on Ripple design/development/testing/product release abilities, as a function of my experience. Now... Ripple will say that it, the BitGo product is not their product, but you can be sure that Ripple participated in it, as well. -- From a user perspective... we expect to buy and use products... I buy tires for my car, I should be able to buy a wallet for the Ripple network. You'd think. -- From a personal perspective, I do NOT enjoy testing Ripple products... and then having to their bugs/report problems. Competent companies find their own bugs before software release, then have a product support programme. Ripple's approach is to stone the messenger. More specifically, if companies can not find simple problems like Windows 10, then you can be sure more complex problems exist, as the competency of the QA Group is then called into question. ;-) I did read those links and it seemed to me like a mishmosh of incompetant users, though I’m sure there were some legitimate complaints. Question for the forum, are there any other users successfully implementing the Ripple Ledger app via Windows 10? Question for you Max, you seem like the type of discerning individual who may be using some more “advanced” security features on your operating system. Are you using some solid security that may be inhibiting the application? Sharkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanaas Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I did read those links and it seemed to me like a mishmosh of incompetant users, though I’m sure there were some legitimate complaints. Question for the forum, are there any other users successfully implementing the Ripple Ledger app via Windows 10? Question for you Max, you seem like the type of discerning individual who may be using some more “advanced” security features on your operating system. Are you using some solid security that may be inhibiting the application?Oh my now you ask the man a difficult question.... When he on simple questions answers with pages this one has to produce a whole book Sharkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) @Hodlezerper Hi... Thankyou for the first constructive query about my problem report. The following are my observations: first machine was Sony hardware laptop - new. I did not check the exact version of Windows 10, or the USB device driver. This was not my machine, but a colleagues. I took the USB device home to test on my Microsoft Surface... same problem it was only then that I decided to look at what software was installed... and the attendant issues. I must say that it was ONLY the Ripple app functionality that failed. The Bitcoin and Ethereum Chrome apps worked well. I threw my hands up in collective dispare, largely given my past experience with Ripple related software. — I think Ripple needs to do the following: edtablish a Ripple Network Certification Programme that tests and approves software that connects to the Ripple network. publish a list of certified products that have passed the specific tests. publish the testing procedures regulators should see this as a required next step for Ripple This is only common sense, given Ripple’s target customer base. It is consistent with Apple’s approach to AppStore Products. — We have a lot at risk. Edited November 24, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) Quote This is only common sense, given Ripple’s target customer base. See this is what I don't understand about your complaints and demands. SBI, AMEX, etc are not storing xrp in a frigging $40 device that currently is on sale for Black Friday! I understand your concern, passion, etc. It's very noble but I really feel it is misplaced. You and I and people without any contractual agreement are not Ripple's customer! You and I are able to participate, be grateful. Your issue is with Ledger. Your issue is with exchanges. You and I are their customer. And another thing, users on this forum, takes great liberty in using the word, "we", as in Ripple and "I, some random person that bought xrp off an exchange". There is no "we" unless you work for them or have a contract with them. Get over yourselves or go join the Bitcoin revolution. As it is Thanksgiving, I will add I am incredibly thankful for the opportunity to be able to ride Ripple’s coattails. Edited November 24, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capricorn6 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 6 hours ago, LordVetinari said: I am incredibly thankful for the opportunity to be able to ride Ripple’s coattails. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickery Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 6 hours ago, LordVetinari said: As it is Thanksgiving, I will add I am incredibly thankful for the opportunity to be able to ride Ripple’s coattails. Every day is Thanksgiving when someone shoots @Max Entropy down and you have just made my day. Sharkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanaas Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 9 hours ago, Max Entropy said: @Hodlezerper Hi... Thankyou for the first constructive query about my problem report. The following are my observations: first machine was Sony hardware laptop - new. I did not check the exact version of Windows 10, or the USB device driver. This was not my machine, but a colleagues. I took the USB device home to test on my Microsoft Surface... same problem it was only then that I decided to look at what software was installed... and the attendant issues. I must say that it was ONLY the Ripple app functionality that failed. The Bitcoin and Ethereum Chrome apps worked well. I threw my hands up in collective dispare, largely given my past experience with Ripple related software. — I think Ripple needs to do the following: edtablish a Ripple Network Certification Programme that tests and approves software that connects to the Ripple network. publish a list of certified products that have passed the specific tests. publish the testing procedures regulators should see this as a required next step for Ripple This is only common sense, given Ripple’s target customer base. It is consistent with Apple’s approach to AppStore Products. — We have a lot at risk. If everything else has failed, read the instructions..... (or contact support) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodlezerper Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 15 hours ago, Max Entropy said: @Hodlezerper Hi... Thankyou for the first constructive query about my problem report. The following are my observations: first machine was Sony hardware laptop - new. I did not check the exact version of Windows 10, or the USB device driver. This was not my machine, but a colleagues. I took the USB device home to test on my Microsoft Surface... same problem it was only then that I decided to look at what software was installed... and the attendant issues. I must say that it was ONLY the Ripple app functionality that failed. The Bitcoin and Ethereum Chrome apps worked well. I threw my hands up in collective dispare, largely given my past experience with Ripple related software. — I think Ripple needs to do the following: edtablish a Ripple Network Certification Programme that tests and approves software that connects to the Ripple network. publish a list of certified products that have passed the specific tests. publish the testing procedures regulators should see this as a required next step for Ripple This is only common sense, given Ripple’s target customer base. It is consistent with Apple’s approach to AppStore Products. — We have a lot at risk. I read about someone the other day who was using Bitdefender on his PC and that blocked a proper installation on his computer. It seemed like it only blocked one or two files from being installed on the given file path and that created a serious error. They had to uninstall and disable bit defender. It's possible that you are having a similar issue. I'm not sure how this equates to having a lot of risk, if you can't even get the program installed. I also disagree that having your coins on an exchange is somehow safer, given the statistics. My 2 zerps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 On 11/21/2017 at 9:28 PM, MentalPatience said: This, to me, is very Manson-esque.. .how is Charlie doing these days, anyway? Um, not too great, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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