Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I can't help but feel a pit in my stomach when I see this stubborn persistence on display. I have read through some of Max's threads and one thing sticks out to me that bothers me very much about the angle he is attempting to capture here... he has noted on more than one occasion that the (majority of) the posters here have a meager or average I.Q., and I feel he basically put several of us down in those posts. I can't help but think that the same people he shuns, is his target audience in this thread in an attempt to spread fud all over that sandwich he's been making. This, to me, is very Manson-esque.. .how is Charlie doing these days, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Isn't this is like complaining to Exxon because you think Fords suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikb Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 @Max Entropy, as I’ve already mentioned twice now: I don’t speak for Ripple and my posts express my opinions and not those of my employer. I know you’re done with this thread, but in the interest of closure: We get it: you think Ripple management is incompetent because you disagree with the decisions they made and blame “Larson” (whoever that is; I assume if meant Chris Larsen, you’d have corrected your spelling after the millionth time) for what you perceive as a series of missteteps. The reality is: nobody is perfect and even the best leaders don’t have a crystal ball that tells the future. Not even you. JamesRay, Sharkey, Gilligan and 5 others 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 @nikb It looks like our disagreement is going to be non-ending: it is easy to do nothing as an organization... it is the easy decision. leaders - lead... i must tell you emphatically, that if I was running a company, that, had as its only wallet solution, the Ledger Wallet with the issues, I have raised, I would be working 24 hours a day to change that wretched situation. I must assume that you really do not understand the significance of security. This is because you have XRP internal tools and applications, that the rest of us here, do not have. I find this to be a bold situation for your company and each of its employees relative to that of the folks who buy the XRP ICO token (and yes I did buy XRP as an ICO) but you would prefer for the purpose of this discussion to not be identified as investors. In fact, it is worse... you are technically accomplished... along with the rest of your group, and I must assume that none you foresaw the 'Ledger Wallet for Ripple' Windows native app issue. I have not had time to examine the other OS installations, but they will be similar. I have experience in matters of political exposure with companies. The job of the Board of Directors should be to offer guidance so as to ensure that company avoids risk. This is an area of risk. I and my friends are not installing our recently ax cquired Ledger Wallet devices and software on our machines. We have pitched these devices... and now we are stuck on crypto exchanges... same as it ever was. I will try to refrain from responding your next message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Cold wallet not an option? An alternative to 'stuck on crypto exchanges'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 @Tinyaccount Hi... I do have access to an early version of the Ripple Desktop wallet app. This is my backup strategy that I might employ. I think I trust it. I think it came from Github. But, honestly, as I have discussed with colleagues here, this topic would not be heated if the risk was a couple hundred dollars. But we all know that Ripple is positioned as an establishment crypto and in this regard, I feel it will be very successful for awhile. I do not know about long term. So, the issue, that we risk is, is do we use Ripple Desktop app software, that we have not vetted and, that no one will stand behind. Very risky for us here. It sort of comes back to the leadership topic. It is easy to go with the flow, and click and use... but the consequences are significant. I, like McAfee think in terms of the worst case. Smart hackers will do smart things. Additionally, I offer advice to a group here, that I must take seriously. I do not see great solutions. We are thinking about using Ripple Addresses for which we have keys, and then leave them in the network until there is a solution that we value. -- An Aside: everything device has a backdoor... and you never know who is using it. That is the problem with backdoors. I found a bug in iOS 10 last year on a test iPhone. It was such that I could not use it. So I called Apple, who offered excellent support, three tiers at no charge. In the end I was routed to Seatle, to a very technical support group. Within 10 seconds they had access, with my 'permission they said' to all the files on the iPhone. They could see everything and control all features in the iPhone. This was over a WiFi connection. Not sure what they can do with GSM Data. I was surprised how quickly they were able to get in. It means that there is always a bi-directional TCP/IP between the phone and Apple access servers. Whats my point... Everyone has access to our machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmbartley Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Again, the mute feature is an option. It's drastically improved my experience in this site. deadestfish, Believe, cryptoman and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) Quote Everyone has access to our machines. Thanks Intel! Anyway, someday we're all going to be dead. Edited November 22, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryptoman Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, cmbartley said: Again, the mute feature is an option. It's drastically improved my experience in this site. Kudos for pointing that out. Txs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 51 minutes ago, Max Entropy said: So, the issue, that we risk is, is do we use Ripple Desktop app software, that we have not vetted and, that no one will stand behind. Very risky for us here. I have made the assumption that in the unlikely event of the cold wallet software being compromised.... there is an air gap and no way for the bad actor to get the information from the malware. I realise that the addresses could be from a pre-arranged set but given the history of the software I used I assume that is not likely. I will, for once, agree with you that it is an area of concern... I just differ in that I don't feel that this is Ripples fault and I don't look to them to solve my problem. I think time will heal this issue.... if not... then in air-gap we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) @MentalPatience I have no desire to inflict harm on people who do not know what they are talking about... re Internet communications and stuff. I am knowledgable in a number of narrow high latency communications, messaging and AI areas... there are thousands of areas where I am a complete idiot. The point is, is that I do know, that I do not know anything about a lot of areas. Particle physics is one of these areas. The world is complex. I listen and try to absorb as much as possible. When you think about this specific topic... Ledger Wallet... please think about whether you had/have/would have any real idea about what I have stated. Most people even with a lay-description of the, say, Chrome security model... will still not understand it. Period. Now I could be wrong with regard to your specific skills. If so, then I will happily listen to what you have to say. I hope to learn more... -- The reality is that, no one here (at XRPchat) has expressed ANY concern about any aspect of the 'Ledger Wallet for Ripple'. What does that tell you? -- Anyway... I really do not want to beat you up... but things are technical. Edited November 22, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikb Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 The fact that you’ve felt compelled to bookend multiple response with “I do not want to beat you up” speaks volumes, @Max Entropy. Sharkey, MyXRPie and Believe 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 10 hours ago, cmbartley said: Again, the mute feature is an option. It's drastically improved my experience in this site. pro tip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 The Ripple folks should be focussing on SECURITY... and not on trolling those that report security flaws in THEIR systems. I can only imagine that an Ethereum event is down stream... and I intend to avoid the unpleasant consequences of such. -- NikB and his fussing about silly meta conversation re: 'Ledge Wallet for Ripple' is an indication of his mental capacities for problem resolution. The intensity of this debate, when there should have been none from the Ripple side, other than... we should ensure this problem is fixed... suggests to me that - 'He doth protest to much'. Let us see how this plays out. Time is still tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corak Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) @Max Entropy The only thing your post is missing is a link to the Russian rickroll video honestly edit: Edited November 23, 2017 by corak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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