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This is a club for discussion of anything and everything related to the Flare Network, including Flare Finance, F-Assets, Gala Games, NFTs, airdrops, etc.
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  2. Looks like the launch price on Bitrue is $0.05. Looking forward to seeing the price action. I still see about 750/800M SGB delegated on the FTSO and I don’t think any significant sales are coming from that. I still think that once the S-Asset system is turned on, it will start to prop up the price somewhat, even though people will be reluctant to wrap too many tokens given that it is a canary network. I’m sure that some of the FTSO teams are happy that they have a chance to tune their code on Songbird before Mainnet launch.
  3. Anyone know the exact time that Bitrue usually launches trading of a new token? 27th of September is great but when? Bitrue is in Asia right so maybe 9am Hong Kong time?
  4. No particular reason - I just wanted to better understand the delegation mechanism
  5. Answering my own question. Now the rewards are starting to be known, and the results are showing some significant differences, I would still suggest holding off a few days. Your current rewards will still be calculated on the decision you made at the snapshot ~Thursday. Changing now might only incur fees if you decide to change again before the next snapshot. All Signal Providers will be reviewing data and making changes, so the results will move around a bit over the next few days. Don’t be too hasty.
  6. I can recall from years ago a presentation given to us about superannuation. Using ten years back testing data, the presenter showed that if you swapped into the highest performing fund (from the previous year,) every year…. you would do worse than any one fund did over the ten year period. Because the performances were variable, chasing the highest yield was the worst possible strategy. I wonder if a similar thing will apply here. Perhaps not. But maybe. Interesting times ahead.
  7. This sounds like exchanges are going to be providing price feeds. It makes sense, they're already collecting price feeds all day anyway to run their exchange. It allows them to earn money using the SGB and FLR that are just sitting in their vaults.
  8. Seriously Is there a way to see the overall results without having to check individual wallets?
  9. I don't think it works that way. You can still vote for a provider if they're over the limit. But each vote a provider has gives more weight to the price they provide and also how big of a reward they win. If they're over the cap, that weight stops growing but I think the rewards that they win will still be divied up among all the votes. You'll earn less if they're over the limit, but it's not like everyone who votes once they're past the limit gets nothing.
  10. It is suspect. This is all about totally made up American legal definitions. There's nothing inherently wrong about being a security, and most of the world doesn't treat them that way. DeFi is a low-trust financial system that runs parallel to our high-trust traditional system. It is recreating traditional types of investments in its own way. I think it's dumb of us to pretend it's not. Better to rip the band-aid off and be honest about it. We're better off saying, "You're damn right these are securities and they're in an environment where they work and traditional regulations are only a hindrance. Come up with some new, sensible regulations for this space so everyone can benefit from it."
  11. Yes, they seem to have done poorly in the first few rounds, but give them time. Eyeballing it, I'd say Bifrost is doing best.
  12. I had delegated to FTSO EU but they have been having trouble with their coffee and so the rewards are lower than the others. Bad start for them and will do them no favors with people’s first impression. I know I am much more likely to change who I’m delegating to next week because of this start.
  13. You can now check your rewards on flare metrics, just input your wallet address http://flaremetrics.io/check-reward
  14. Apparently they have 350 applications to become signal providers that they are working through. I think we don’t need to worry about there only being five places to delegate to.
  15. Lets say there are 5 oracles that really make an awesome job, their fees are good, they are almost constantly within this 50% which wins the price from providing the "correct" prices. Lets also assume these oracles are already capped with the votes (1b votes each = 10% voting power each= 50% combined voting power from 5 top oracles). What exactly can you do with rewarded FLR which you earn from delegating a vote? You can't compound it because the oracles are already full, and other oracles are not doing great which means there is no point to stack there? Does that mean that all FLR would need to be funneled in Flare finance so you can get at least something out of it? Any thoughts on this?
  16. Why would you change before you know the results? And it’s a genuine, non-biased question. I’m seeing it a lot, everyone wanting to know how soon they can change their delegation. I’d sit tight, and monitor things until all of these questions are answered. Moving delegation prematurely and missing a weeks rewards chasing greener grass could be more detrimental than staying put.
  17. This article on Bifrost's webpage was a pretty good explanation of it all. It started off: "This article is intended for new users that are unfamiliar with these concepts and explains why you want to wrap and delegate your Songbird to support the network and its participants." and stayed an easy/good read throughout. The wheel you invented works well too, @brianwalden :-)
  18. Nice analogy, I would maybe add in that’s it’s not totally free since you go get the gas fee when you wrap( and unwrap, I think). Stick gas fee as advising Joe the gambler to keep a buck or 2 aside for his bus home from the casino. 😀 BTW, it’s now 90 days to claim rewards, not 30.
  19. I think both of you ( @Ripley and @brianwalden ) need at least a week in the decontamination spa. The SEC have brainwashed you into seeing bogeymen everywhere. The whole concept of “a security” is suspect in my opinion. One of those things that used to make sense (maybe) in simpler times, but is a hindrance rather than a help now. But I do accept that under the restrictive guild-of-rich-dudes rules that they currently use to strangle disrupters with, these things might be considered securities by the brainwashed. I will bow out now because I’m not adding value and I don’t really know what I am talking about.
  20. I think the fact that the FTSO system has a utility (accurate price feeds) and that the reward system is completely decentralised might make it not a security. I could be wrong. I do trust that Flare did extensive legal analysis to be careful there, so I’m relying on that a bit. An individual FTSO attracting votes through gifts may have been okay I think but NFTs in the current market could be construed as securities. Again, I could be wrong but this whole tier based system to get more NFTs felt a bit off to me. Hope they don’t get into trouble. Flare Finance is a bit more tricky. It has to be fully and completely decentralised for it to be okay. For example, Bitcoin is safe presumably because the distribution is decentralised. Flare Finance is hard to figure out because it has so many products. Some may be ok. Probity/Trustline is easier. Poor Matt Rosendin abandoned Trustline lending for now, because it’s their (closed source) app and that makes providing lending on Trustline a security. But Probity is purely open source and decentralised. Matt and his cofounder don’t make a dime out of it, so it’s safe to generate and farm a yield there + lend your assets.
  21. @Ripley Peel the onion even further. I don't know if giving away an NFT is a security. But FTSO rewards are a common pool of investors (all the people delegating their votes to a data provider) who profit primarily from the efforts of another party - the data provider who collects and submits price feeds. FTSO voting is a security. Delegated proof of stake is a security. Most things that happen in DeFi are securities.
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